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Should your S.O./Spouse have a say so if they feel you are too thin or too large?
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »Medicine and bed rest cannot make you gain weight in a vacuum. If you over eat, you gain weight. Pregnancy is also not a reason to gain excessive amounts of weight. Being pregnant does not mean eating for two, either.
There is one reason why people become overweight or obese. That reason is always excessive caloric intake, and it is never something that happens to an adult (absent developmental issues like Downs or Prader-Willi) in a vacuum without the active participation of the person gaining the weight. Nobody gets fat against their own will.
You sound so dreamy. *swoon*
I am cold and I am hard and my name is...2 -
heiliskrimsli wrote: »Medicine and bed rest cannot make you gain weight in a vacuum. If you over eat, you gain weight. Pregnancy is also not a reason to gain excessive amounts of weight. Being pregnant does not mean eating for two, either.
There is one reason why people become overweight or obese. That reason is always excessive caloric intake, and it is never something that happens to an adult (absent developmental issues like Downs or Prader-Willi) in a vacuum without the active participation of the person gaining the weight. Nobody gets fat against their own will.
Are you a doctor?
What does that have to do with the laws of thermodynamics?
Mass cannot be created out of nothing. Your body cannot generate more of it unless you are supplying it with the source material to do so. If you are not eating a caloric surplus you will not gain weight from fat.STLBADGIRL wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »Medicine and bed rest cannot make you gain weight in a vacuum. If you over eat, you gain weight. Pregnancy is also not a reason to gain excessive amounts of weight. Being pregnant does not mean eating for two, either.
There is one reason why people become overweight or obese. That reason is always excessive caloric intake, and it is never something that happens to an adult (absent developmental issues like Downs or Prader-Willi) in a vacuum without the active participation of the person gaining the weight. Nobody gets fat against their own will.
Hmmmmmm. Just hmmmmmmmm for this response..... But on the bold part, as harsh as this may seem - it may be valid. And this was a hard realization for myself. It sucks when someone else says it...but it may just may be true if we are keeping it real.
Facts do not care whether your feelings like them or not. They are still true.7 -
You have to eat a certain amount of food when you're pregnant. If you are taking medicine that slows your metabolism, and you are on bed rest, you might gain weight. It isn't a sign of weakness or laziness to do so. Pregnant women in situations like my friend are given diets they have to follow so it isn't even up to them what they eat. If you were a doctor, you'd understand that you can't restrict calories too much when pregnant, especially if you are in a high risk pregnancy.14
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Speaking from a person that's about 40-45 lbs overweight. I initially lost 40 lbs., after I went to a personal trainer and I was at my heaviest of 192 lbs. I cried so hard when I stepped on the scale. I was going to him to lose about 10 lbs for a vacation I was planning. I had been in denial for YEARRRRRRRRRS. I literally thought I gained only 10 LBS. I knew my pants didn't fit the same, and I could tell in the mirror that I had gained a lil weight....but it was damn near 50lbs NOT 10 lbs. I cried so hard because I had NO idea that I had put on that much weight. I am being open and honest. I KNOW I contributed to my weight gain, BUT that dayum weight crept up on me before I could handle it or manage it.
A little history - I've always been bigger than what I wanted to be. A Grandmother's baby raised on all that bs food and over indulged - I was destined to be big and having to unlearn a bunch of wrong stuff. So it was natural for me to avoid mirrors and scales....etc. And that shame and denial kept me big and gaining. Now i have replaced bad habits with healthier options and I am in the know now. I don't run away from scales and mirrors....knowledge is power!8 -
You have to eat a certain amount of food when you're pregnant. If you are taking medicine that slows your metabolism, and you are on bed rest, you might gain weight. It isn't a sign of weakness or laziness to do so. Pregnant women in situations like my friend are given diets they have to follow so it isn't even up to them what they eat. If you were a doctor, you'd understand that you can't restrict calories too much when pregnant, especially if you are in a high risk pregnancy.
So much this. *smh*4 -
You have to eat a certain amount of food when you're pregnant. If you are taking medicine that slows your metabolism, and you are on bed rest, you might gain weight. It isn't a sign of weakness or laziness to do so. Pregnant women in situations like my friend are given diets they have to follow so it isn't even up to them what they eat. If you were a doctor, you'd understand that you can't restrict calories too much when pregnant, especially if you are in a high risk pregnancy.
The additional calorie needs during pregnancy are (above maintenance level when not pregnant)- The first trimester does not require any extra calories.
- During the second trimester, an additional 340 calories a day are recommended.
- For the third trimester, the recommendation is 450 calories more a day than when not pregnant.
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If your activity level is reduced due to bed rest, your TDEE and therefore your maintenance level is lower, which means the total calorie intake even with the extra requirements is lower than it would be for someone who is more active. That absolutely can be controlled for, and I don't know a single doctor who advises uncontrolled eating or weight gain during pregnancy especially in cases with complications.
While your friend may have been given a specific list of foods she should eat (what to eat), that doesn't preclude eating too much of those things, or of exceeding a reasonable calorie intake by adding additional other foods not on the list to those items.
Pregnancy, even one involving bed rest, is not a magical reason to pack on unlimited pounds.3 -
Have you actually asked doctors what they recommend to eat during high risk pregnancies? She wasn't eating in an uncontrolled manner, and I didn't say she was. She was eating enough to gain some weight, and with two pregnancies one after the other she gained a bit. Not "unlimited pounds" but enough to notice. Women do often put on weight during pregnancy. Particularly high risk pregnancies. She has since lost the weight but she had some weight gain with those two pregnancies one after the other. If your expectation is that women shouldn't gain weight during pregnancies, your will indeed go from one relationship to another during your lifetime, and you will have some child support payments to plan for.15
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heiliskrimsli wrote: »You have to eat a certain amount of food when you're pregnant. If you are taking medicine that slows your metabolism, and you are on bed rest, you might gain weight. It isn't a sign of weakness or laziness to do so. Pregnant women in situations like my friend are given diets they have to follow so it isn't even up to them what they eat. If you were a doctor, you'd understand that you can't restrict calories too much when pregnant, especially if you are in a high risk pregnancy.
The additional calorie needs during pregnancy are (above maintenance level when not pregnant)- The first trimester does not require any extra calories.
- During the second trimester, an additional 340 calories a day are recommended.
- For the third trimester, the recommendation is 450 calories more a day than when not pregnant.
Source
If your activity level is reduced due to bed rest, your TDEE and therefore your maintenance level is lower, which means the total calorie intake even with the extra requirements is lower than it would be for someone who is more active. That absolutely can be controlled for, and I don't know a single doctor who advises uncontrolled eating or weight gain during pregnancy especially in cases with complications.
While your friend may have been given a specific list of foods she should eat (what to eat), that doesn't preclude eating too much of those things, or of exceeding a reasonable calorie intake by adding additional other foods not on the list to those items.
Pregnancy, even one involving bed rest, is not a magical reason to pack on unlimited pounds.
At least one other person gets it.
I have met one woman over the years who was willing to acknowledge and admit that she was being a glutton while pregnant. She was an amateur model, so to quote her "I spend crazy amounts of time having to worry about my weight and figure. I'm taking full advantage of this crap and shoving everything in my face that I can keep down." Within three months she was back to pre-pregnancy weight, even though she was intentionally and consciously eating waaaaaay more than she needed to during the process. I'm halfway convinced that she was subconsciously restricting her intake, even though she consciously was trying to eat all of the things.3 -
Have you actually asked doctors what they recommend to eat during high risk pregnancies? She wasn't eating in an uncontrolled manner, and I didn't say she was. She was eating enough to gain some weight, and with two pregnancies one after the other she gained a bit. Not "unlimited pounds" but enough to notice. Women do often put on weight during pregnancy. Particularly high risk pregnancies. She has since lost the weight but she had some weight gain with those two pregnancies one after the other.
A normal weight woman should gain up to 25 pounds during pregnancy. Much more than that and it's excessive.If your expectation is that women shouldn't gain weight during pregnancies, your will indeed go from one relationship to another during your lifetime, and you will have some child support payments to plan for.
Your assumptions are laughable.4 -
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heiliskrimsli wrote: »Have you actually asked doctors what they recommend to eat during high risk pregnancies? She wasn't eating in an uncontrolled manner, and I didn't say she was. She was eating enough to gain some weight, and with two pregnancies one after the other she gained a bit. Not "unlimited pounds" but enough to notice. Women do often put on weight during pregnancy. Particularly high risk pregnancies. She has since lost the weight but she had some weight gain with those two pregnancies one after the other.
A normal weight woman should gain up to 25 pounds during pregnancy. Much more than that and it's excessive.If your expectation is that women shouldn't gain weight during pregnancies, your will indeed go from one relationship to another during your lifetime, and you will have some child support payments to plan for.
Your assumptions are laughable.
As are yours. :laugh:8 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »Have you actually asked doctors what they recommend to eat during high risk pregnancies? She wasn't eating in an uncontrolled manner, and I didn't say she was. She was eating enough to gain some weight, and with two pregnancies one after the other she gained a bit. Not "unlimited pounds" but enough to notice. Women do often put on weight during pregnancy. Particularly high risk pregnancies. She has since lost the weight but she had some weight gain with those two pregnancies one after the other.
A normal weight woman should gain up to 25 pounds during pregnancy. Much more than that and it's excessive.If your expectation is that women shouldn't gain weight during pregnancies, your will indeed go from one relationship to another during your lifetime, and you will have some child support payments to plan for.
Your assumptions are laughable.
As are yours. :laugh:
Agreed!4 -
heiliskrimsli wrote: »
Your assumptions are laughable.
I was going to say this to you.Chef_Barbell wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »Have you actually asked doctors what they recommend to eat during high risk pregnancies? She wasn't eating in an uncontrolled manner, and I didn't say she was. She was eating enough to gain some weight, and with two pregnancies one after the other she gained a bit. Not "unlimited pounds" but enough to notice. Women do often put on weight during pregnancy. Particularly high risk pregnancies. She has since lost the weight but she had some weight gain with those two pregnancies one after the other.
A normal weight woman should gain up to 25 pounds during pregnancy. Much more than that and it's excessive.If your expectation is that women shouldn't gain weight during pregnancies, your will indeed go from one relationship to another during your lifetime, and you will have some child support payments to plan for.
Your assumptions are laughable.
As are yours. :laugh:
I provided a citation regarding pregnancy weight gain, and got back the assumption that I am a shallow man who is irresponsible with birth control.
Seems so reasonable.4 -
heiliskrimsli wrote: »You have to eat a certain amount of food when you're pregnant. If you are taking medicine that slows your metabolism, and you are on bed rest, you might gain weight. It isn't a sign of weakness or laziness to do so. Pregnant women in situations like my friend are given diets they have to follow so it isn't even up to them what they eat. If you were a doctor, you'd understand that you can't restrict calories too much when pregnant, especially if you are in a high risk pregnancy.
The additional calorie needs during pregnancy are (above maintenance level when not pregnant)- The first trimester does not require any extra calories.
- During the second trimester, an additional 340 calories a day are recommended.
- For the third trimester, the recommendation is 450 calories more a day than when not pregnant.
Source
If your activity level is reduced due to bed rest, your TDEE and therefore your maintenance level is lower, which means the total calorie intake even with the extra requirements is lower than it would be for someone who is more active. That absolutely can be controlled for, and I don't know a single doctor who advises uncontrolled eating or weight gain during pregnancy especially in cases with complications.
While your friend may have been given a specific list of foods she should eat (what to eat), that doesn't preclude eating too much of those things, or of exceeding a reasonable calorie intake by adding additional other foods not on the list to those items.
Pregnancy, even one involving bed rest, is not a magical reason to pack on unlimited pounds.
That's all well and good until you're so sick 24/7 that you want to die and the only thing that holds the nausea back is nibbling on saltine crackers and sipping ginger ale. Yes, it is possible to gain weight with morning sickness. But that doesn't file well under your 'this is the one true way' philosophy. Nor do any number of other crazy things that happen when one is growing a person.13 -
heiliskrimsli wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »
Your assumptions are laughable.
I was going to say this to you.Chef_Barbell wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »Have you actually asked doctors what they recommend to eat during high risk pregnancies? She wasn't eating in an uncontrolled manner, and I didn't say she was. She was eating enough to gain some weight, and with two pregnancies one after the other she gained a bit. Not "unlimited pounds" but enough to notice. Women do often put on weight during pregnancy. Particularly high risk pregnancies. She has since lost the weight but she had some weight gain with those two pregnancies one after the other.
A normal weight woman should gain up to 25 pounds during pregnancy. Much more than that and it's excessive.If your expectation is that women shouldn't gain weight during pregnancies, your will indeed go from one relationship to another during your lifetime, and you will have some child support payments to plan for.
Your assumptions are laughable.
As are yours. :laugh:
I provided a citation regarding pregnancy weight gain, and got back the assumption that I am a shallow man who is irresponsible with birth control.
Seems so reasonable.
About as reasonable as the expectation that every pregnancy is going to go according to some citation.12 -
I'm not that impressed by Dr. Google citations from a search engine that is not familiar (and was probably not asked) about the myriad of complications that can go along with pregnancy.4
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heiliskrimsli wrote: »You have to eat a certain amount of food when you're pregnant. If you are taking medicine that slows your metabolism, and you are on bed rest, you might gain weight. It isn't a sign of weakness or laziness to do so. Pregnant women in situations like my friend are given diets they have to follow so it isn't even up to them what they eat. If you were a doctor, you'd understand that you can't restrict calories too much when pregnant, especially if you are in a high risk pregnancy.
The additional calorie needs during pregnancy are (above maintenance level when not pregnant)- The first trimester does not require any extra calories.
- During the second trimester, an additional 340 calories a day are recommended.
- For the third trimester, the recommendation is 450 calories more a day than when not pregnant.
Source
If your activity level is reduced due to bed rest, your TDEE and therefore your maintenance level is lower, which means the total calorie intake even with the extra requirements is lower than it would be for someone who is more active. That absolutely can be controlled for, and I don't know a single doctor who advises uncontrolled eating or weight gain during pregnancy especially in cases with complications.
While your friend may have been given a specific list of foods she should eat (what to eat), that doesn't preclude eating too much of those things, or of exceeding a reasonable calorie intake by adding additional other foods not on the list to those items.
Pregnancy, even one involving bed rest, is not a magical reason to pack on unlimited pounds.
That's all well and good until you're so sick 24/7 that you want to die and the only thing that holds the nausea back is nibbling on saltine crackers and sipping ginger ale. Yes, it is possible to gain weight with morning sickness. But that doesn't file well under your 'this is the one true way' philosophy. Nor do any number of other crazy things that happen when one is growing a person.
Could you explain to me the metabolic process by which vomiting causes weight gain?I'm not that impressed by Dr. Google citations from a search engine that is not familiar (and was probably not asked) about the myriad of complications that can go along with pregnancy.
How about The US National Library of Medicine?.
Are they qualified enough for you?1 -
heiliskrimsli wrote: »heiliskrimsli wrote: »You have to eat a certain amount of food when you're pregnant. If you are taking medicine that slows your metabolism, and you are on bed rest, you might gain weight. It isn't a sign of weakness or laziness to do so. Pregnant women in situations like my friend are given diets they have to follow so it isn't even up to them what they eat. If you were a doctor, you'd understand that you can't restrict calories too much when pregnant, especially if you are in a high risk pregnancy.
The additional calorie needs during pregnancy are (above maintenance level when not pregnant)- The first trimester does not require any extra calories.
- During the second trimester, an additional 340 calories a day are recommended.
- For the third trimester, the recommendation is 450 calories more a day than when not pregnant.
Source
If your activity level is reduced due to bed rest, your TDEE and therefore your maintenance level is lower, which means the total calorie intake even with the extra requirements is lower than it would be for someone who is more active. That absolutely can be controlled for, and I don't know a single doctor who advises uncontrolled eating or weight gain during pregnancy especially in cases with complications.
While your friend may have been given a specific list of foods she should eat (what to eat), that doesn't preclude eating too much of those things, or of exceeding a reasonable calorie intake by adding additional other foods not on the list to those items.
Pregnancy, even one involving bed rest, is not a magical reason to pack on unlimited pounds.
That's all well and good until you're so sick 24/7 that you want to die and the only thing that holds the nausea back is nibbling on saltine crackers and sipping ginger ale. Yes, it is possible to gain weight with morning sickness. But that doesn't file well under your 'this is the one true way' philosophy. Nor do any number of other crazy things that happen when one is growing a person.
Could you explain to me the metabolic process by which vomiting causes weight gain?I'm not that impressed by Dr. Google citations from a search engine that is not familiar (and was probably not asked) about the myriad of complications that can go along with pregnancy.
How about The US National Library of Medicine?.
Are they qualified enough for you?
Some women experience ongoing nausea without vomiting. I vomited a total of 1 time in 2 pregnancies.4 -
This part from the website you referenced is good:
"The amount of healthy weight gain in pregnancy varies. These are general guidelines:"8 -
I also like how you said earlier that a woman should gain "up to 25 pounds" earlier when your website says the general guideline is 25 to 35 pounds.9
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